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发表于 2010-4-3 08:39 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
这是我最近收集到得一些资料希望可以帮到大家:
一、

浏览过一些国外HIV论坛,象THEBODYPOZ,大家如果英语还OK的可以去扫扫。也在上面发过一些帖子,感觉帮助很大,特别是心理上。在这里翻译一些东东给大家,希望有所帮助

1. You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL STIs together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with a sexually transmitted infection. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

POZ论坛的女版主本人是HIV感染者,几乎她的回帖都会粘贴以上几句话。大意是:切记每次无一例外需要使用安全套,除非处于安全的一夫一妻关系。

2. Hiv is a very fragile virus that quickly becomes damaged and inactivated when outside its preferred environment of the human body.
HIV
Changes in moisture levels, pH levels and temperature all damage the outer envelope that surrounds hiv. Hiv needs this envelope - and the plugs on the envelope's surface - to be intact and undamaged in order to infect a new host. This happens very quickly when hiv finds itself outside the human body.

HIV
是非常脆弱的病毒。离开适合的人体环境很快自身遭到破坏而导致活性降低。湿度,PH还有温度的变化都会破坏
HIV
周围的外壳。HIV需要这层完整无损的外壳去感染新的宿主。然而HIV会很快遭到破坏一即离开人体。所以成功HIV感染通常发生
人体内。但是通常口腔对于HIV是很不友好的环境,通过口腔感染是很不寻常的情况。

3. I am one of those who got a handjob recently (like it seems there are so many). I thought you might want to pass on some information that the CDC operators told me that made me feel alot better about the risks.

I called twice (the second time because I couldn't believe that what they told me was correct the first time) and they both said the same thing: THAT MY CHANCES OF BEING INFECTED WERE "0" AND THAT I DID NOT NEED TO BE TESTED! "But", I explained, "you don't seem to understand, I found out that the girl is HIV+ and the girl used the same hand that she had been using on herself (meaning that she had her vaginal secretions on it) to get me off, AND I am not curcumsized!" They both answered "It doesn't matter, since HIV is a blood born virus, there has to be an airtight transmission route (intercourse) for the transmission to be effective. Since HIV fluids would have been exposed to air during masturbation (no matter how short the time), you are at NO risk for infection."
HIV
只能存在于体液中,
它的传播必须通过封闭的传输途径(性jiao).手淫过程中含有HIV液体已经暴露到空气中,无论这个过程是多么短暂,绝无危险。

看了原文链接,那个外国同志,互相手淫后(ss我看他没说)还把手指插入倒对方的GM里了。

然后外国大夫说不会感染,一是量不够more small amounts of genital secretions ,二是暴露在空气中很快就死了(我也比较纠结很快是有多快)HIV and STD pathogens are not very "hardy" and die quickly following exposure to air

二、

手淫不会感染原因有(转自MEDHELP):

1 手淫使分泌物暴露在空气中,病毒很快失去感染力。(几秒--十几秒)

2 手淫时通常是旧伤口,旧伤口虽未痊愈但内部已经封闭,病毒无法入侵。

3 手指上的伤口通常是很浅的小伤口,此伤口往往远离血液循环系统,而病毒进入血液循环系统是感染的条件。

4 感染需要一定的量,手淫时接触是精液和阴道液病毒载量比血液少得多。

5 自有发现艾滋以来,30多年几百万人手淫,其中一半手上都有这样那样的伤口,他们的手淫方式各不相同,但无一人因此感染。

综合得出,手淫时安全的性行为。(包括手上有伤口倒刺破皮,涂了对方分泌物自慰等各种行为)

三、来自MEDHELP上斑竹的回答

This is also why mutual masturbation with exposure to a partner's gential fluids is also NOT a risk in any way.  This also is the case with cuts, abrasions, cracked cuticles, etc.  Those things make no difference when it comes to risk, as the virus is outside of its host, rendering it inactive.
相互手淫不会感染艾滋,即便是手上有伤口,倒刺和破裂,因为病毒一旦离体,立即失去感染性


四、来自MEDHELP

和其他病毒相比(比如流感),它在外界环境中是非常脆弱和不稳定的。它需要基本上是近乎完美的条件才可能构成感染。所以,一个人是不可能从外界环境表面感染HIV的,比如马桶座,修甲/理发工具,淋浴室,饮料杯,牙刷,等等。病毒在离开寄主(身体)之后很快就失活了。这就是为什么从一个无生命的物体那里感染是不可能的。这也就是为什么暴露于对方生殖器体液的相互手淫无论如何都没有风险。这包括那些手上有口子的,破损的,倒刺等等。这些东西不增加任何风险,因为病毒是在寄主体外的,病毒失活了。



五、

hiv是很脆弱的。当hiv在体外接触到正常环境,
会在几分钟内被温度,湿度,和环境ph高低,被摧毁。当病毒被摧毁时,是不可以感染的。所以那个被性工作者,边自摸下面,边手淫。MEDHELP的医生都说没有危险。


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 楼主| 发表于 2010-4-3 08:43 | 显示全部楼层
六、
Rick.  This was a no risk exposure.  You exposure can be classified as masturbation.  You did not penetrate her in any way and your exposure to her secretions was minimal.  Thus this exposure is within the realm of masturbation which is safe sex (same goes for your friend).  No risk to you for acquisition of HIV or any other STD.  Please realize that in the course of masturbation miniscule amounts of genital secretions are inadvertently shared between partners, nonetheless there are no HIV transmissions which have occurred in this way.As for your flu-like symptoms, the are almost certainly not a manifestation of HIV or any other STD.  you can search this site to see that we think being concerned about symptoms as an indicator or HIV acquisition is a waste of time.
我翻译一下吧,  这是没有危险的暴露。你的暴露可以被归为手淫。你没有插入,你暴露在他的分泌物很少。  所以这种属于手淫的暴露事安全的性行为。  没有任何危险对HIV和其他性病。  请认识到,在互相手淫过程中,难免不注意接触到少量阴道分泌物,有个SHARE,分享的意思,很能说明问题,虽然如此,没有HIV传播用这种方式。

七、刚刚获得的美国的资料:进一步说:手(总的来说,是皮肤)有酸性保护层的保护,这种酸性保护层能够中和HIV。
    通过亲身经历我想说,我坚信hiv只有三种传播途径,而且在性jiao这条途径中必须是无保护的,至于担心体外间接传播的恐友,如果有耐心可以搜索一下MEDHELP,使用关键词: handjob, 或hand to genital.你会得到两位最权威专家Edward W Hook, MD, 和H. Hunter Handsfield, M.D. 的一致声音, 没有任何风险。他们两个加起来的临床时间估计都有5,60年了,从来没见过一例被动SY(包括对方手上含JY,XY)传播的病例。网上所谓专家,和国内的学者,只有臆测,和一些道听途说,缺乏严谨的科研精神。大家想感染性液体只要暴露在外界,不敢说立即死亡,但活性肯定是大大降低,假如这种液体粘到我们的体外新鲜伤口上,依然还是暴露在外界(因为我们的伤口也是暴露在外界的),其活性进一步降低,再加上这种传播方式注定了量不可能很多,所以这种快死掉的hiv想从这种体外伤口侵入我们的体内,确实太难了,所以曹教授说,几乎所有hiv的感染途径都有一个共同特点:完全交融,环境相对封闭。所以怕这种通过体外间接感染的恐友们可以放心了。
    希望可以帮到大家。
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发表于 2010-4-3 11:45 | 显示全部楼层
兄弟啊,我是恐友啊,你能否搞点带套XJ和无套XJ,国外权威的理论来看看啊!
股票软件开发
发表于 2010-4-8 15:33 | 显示全部楼层
那我想问一下楼主如果阴道分泌物在体外沾到阴茎会有危险吗。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-4-8 17:43 | 显示全部楼层
我的亲身经历告诉我没有危险
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发表于 2010-4-8 19:16 | 显示全部楼层
你主要讲的是手上有无伤口手SY。那象我这样因按摩和对方产生摩擦,因为对方穿着内裤。所以只是隔着内裤摩擦沾到对方体液会感染吗。
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发表于 2010-4-8 19:17 | 显示全部楼层
你主要讲的是手上有无伤口手SY。那象我这样因按摩和对方产生摩擦,因为对方穿着内裤。所以只是隔着内裤摩擦阴茎沾到对方体液会感染吗。
股票软件开发
发表于 2010-4-15 21:09 | 显示全部楼层
搂主,请问我WTKJ,YTXJ,中途小姐将TT拿下进行WTSY,然后又将TT套上进行YTXJ,本人没看清是换了一支新TT,还是原来那支TT。疑点就是,小姐将TT取下,手上必定沾有分泌物,又对我进行SY,SY几下又将TT套上不就是相对封闭的环境了么?极度恐惧中!
股票软件开发
发表于 2010-4-17 13:21 | 显示全部楼层
请问楼主,我醉酒后,牙龈出血,和XJ亲吻,会感染吗,我担心由于酒精的麻痹,抵抗力下降,又因为有伤口,会不会给病毒机会呢,求教!
股票软件开发
发表于 2010-4-20 10:06 | 显示全部楼层
请问楼主的资料是真实的吗?意思是体外使有伤口接触阴道分泌物即,也不会感染,是吗?
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