关于接触分泌物及腿推接触外阴的脱恐贴

yydraul

静待风起 发表于 2012-7-23 19:01
我是一个中国男性，26岁，希望各位能理解我的英文。
大约在我最后一次检测并且得到阴性结果52天以前（他 ...

大哥，帮忙看下站街女，DTXJ,WTKJ, 小姐屁股对着我，我是从后面进入YD的，射了后继续干了会，套最后就挂在GT上，我BP过长，有GT炎，拿出来时套已经退到BP后面了，就挂在上面，貌似有点烂了，有风险吗？~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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LIZZIE LOU回答：
NOTHING that you have described put you at risk for contracting hiv.
further testing is not needed.
你描述的事情中没有任何可能接触到HIV的风险，不需要进一步的测试。

追问：
Thank you , thank you very much !
It's because when I went to the hospital to deal with the mycoplasma pneumoniae infection , the doctor asked me to do the test without asking the action .
Thank you very much and I HAVE A FURTHER QUESTION for me and some people I meet in China from internet.
We said that if the Body fluid leave the human body and expose to the air , then it will be no Infectious , how much time it need ? for my instance , as  I don't feel moist on my finger , I think the Volume of  body fluid will be less than 0.2 ml . thank you very much ! .
  谢谢。
我之所以紧张是因为我去医院处理支原体问题的时候，医生在没有询问我具体行为的情况下就让我去检测。
  非常感谢，但我还有一个进一步的问题，这可以帮助我以及一些我在中国网络上见到的人：
  我们说体液在离开人体并接触空气之后就会失去感染性，这大概需要多少时间。就我的情况而言，因为没有感觉到湿润，我想如果接触了分泌物，数量不会超过0.2ml 。

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LIZZIE LOU回答：
instead of worrying about "time"...just remember this:
transmission takes place when a PENIS is INSIDE a vagina / anus.
it's just that simple.
与其纠结时间的长短。。。只需要知道这个：
传染只有当JJ插入到阴道或者肛门里的时候才会发生。
就是这么简单。

追问：
Thank you for your patient answer .
  I'm worry about it casue I think that as with a mycoplasma pneumoniae infection , maybe there are some "Target cell" there . and if I touch some body fluid , and if it fresh , it's dangeous . That's why I'm so worried about the "time " .
  谢谢你耐性的回答。
  我之所以担心是因而我认为我的支原体问题，也许会使尿道口有靶细胞存在，如果我的手上接触了体液，而它又是新鲜的，那么就会很危险，这就是为什么我担心需要的“空气暴露时间”。

Teak回答：
Move along you never had an exposure.
消失吧，你根本没有过危险的暴露。

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本来说了谢谢的，后来又紧张了，就又追问：
LIZZIE LOU ,
  Sorry I'm still a little worried about the situation .
  I want know that when you said " transmission takes place when a PENIS is INSIDE a vagina / anus. " , is that mean one should be still safe even in such an assumed ralatively limited situantion :
the man has the problem of mycoplasma pneumoniae infection , and the girl fingered herself and then use the vagina liquid on her hand as lubricant to do the hand-job .
  Someone take this as an example for proving hand-job is safe at all .Many of my chinese internet friends and me want know weather it's really ture in this assumed situation ?
  抱歉我对这个情况仍旧有些紧张。
我想知道关于你说的“传染只有当JJ插入到阴道或者肛门里的时候才会发生” ， 对于下面这种极端的情况是否仍旧适用：
男性感染了非淋，女性自己指交之后马上又指头上的分泌物作为润滑剂进行SY。
在论坛上（MEDHELP）用分泌物作为润滑剂进行SY被作为一个典型情况来说明SY及体外接触的安全性，我和一些国内网络上认识的人很想知道在上述极限情况下是否仍然安全。

LIZZIE LOU 回答：
hiv is not transmitted from what you've described.
once exposed to air, hiv becomes inactive and unable to infect.
you had NO risk...NONE ! ! ! .
hiv不会通过你描述的情况发生传染的。一旦接触了空气，它就不再具有传染性（未必是死亡）并且不可能传染了。你没有危险...完全没有！

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没出息的我继续追问：
Thank you , LIZZIE LOU .
really thank you , it's seems there is some wrong information in the forum I joined in china . Someone said the "time " have a ralationship with the volume , and it's active untile the liquid dry ...
you and Teak are known by many chinese and be respected , this site link can make many ones in that forum easy .
again , thank you very much! .
  非常感谢。
这样看来我在当地接触的一些网络和论坛上有些错误的信息，有些人说，空气暴露需要的时间和体液的量有关，还有些人说直到液体干了才会失去活性。。。
你和TEAK为很多中国恐友所知及尊重，相信这个帖子的链接地址能使很多人感到安心。
非常感谢。

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RainLover71回答：
Blood or other infected bodily fluids do not have to be dry for the HIV virus to become inactive.
血液或者其他感染性体液不需要等到干了才会失去传染性。

追问：
Thank you !
So , it's immediately , right ? .
应该是立即失去传染性，对吗？

RainLover71回答：
YES!

这个帖子后面的部分我询问了没有射J而担心TT有小缺口的问题，TEAK和RainLover71表示，TT只会灾难性的明显的破，所以如果它破了，至少在拔出后，你一定能够感觉到并且看到的。
另外和RainLover71私聊，他说澳大利亚的绝大多数医院给出的窗口期都是6周。

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接下来是在MEDHELP付费区提问的帖子，DRHHH我相信大家都承认是专家了吧，不承认的只能去信春哥了。
Dear Dr,
   I'm a chinese male, 26. I really suffered a lot these days. I put a question to the medical support forum, people there make me much stable . But I worried about other sth. after heared from someone , make me nervous again.
  On April 30th , I have a protected oral & protected vagina sex with a CSW;
  On May 3rd, another CSW, I put my penis between her legs, without condom, our postures like doing entercourse, I rubbed penis on her leg and ejaculated, and afraid of my glans touched her vulva and secretions. I remember I feel a little itch on my urethra several seconds, but not very sure; she show me her nagetive report 3 weeks after the action.
  On May 9th, another CSW, I received a hand-job, and during that I do feel itch in my urethra, after that I met a DR and be told got a mycoplasma pneumoniae infection which I think because took a bath in the first CSW’s place, use the towels. THE PROBLEM IS, I touch her vulva during the hand-job and maybe touch my glans or urethral orifice after that.
  More details: I touched her vulva without finger-insert, and don't feel moist. before I touch my penis with my finger again, it about 3mins,I touch her leg and make my finger expose to the air.
  I read a lot your answers and know hand-job is safe even when genital secretions are used for lubrication. BUT WHAT ABOUT one have mycoplasma pneumoniae infection, when I met a doctor for my 8 weeks' test, she said this STD can make a lot "target cell" - CD4 there, so dangerious and I should take 12 week test. Now I have 15-20 rash on my neck since about my 49-52 days, still there now, project out the skin , like a folliculitis.
  What do you think about my situation? The leg-stuff is safe? If have SUCH A STD , then do a hand-job, genital secretions used for lubrication is still safe? 3 mins’ expose enough? 55 days negtive is conclusive? Need further test?
  Thank you very much

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  博士，我是一个26岁中国男性。我最近非常的担忧，之前已经在免费讨论区发了帖子，那里志愿者的回答使我安心了许多，但我又想起来一些别的事情，同时听到一些别的说法，让我又紧张了。
  在某月某日，我与XJ发生了DTKJ和DTXJ，可能因为用那里的毛巾，后来非淋了；在某月某日，我与XJ发生了腿推，我担心碰到了她的外阴和分泌物，当时JJ痒，怀疑已经非淋了；在某月某日，XJ那里SY，当时JJ已经痒了，非淋，我碰到了她的外阴，有可能接触到了分泌物，当时JJ痒，怀疑已经非淋了，并且事后可能用自己的手碰到了尿道口。
  我阅读了很多您给其他人的回答，并且知道即使是用生殖器分泌物来做润滑剂SY也是安全的行为。但是如果有了支原体感染会如何呢，我在做第8周测试的时候一个医生说，这个支原体的问题可能会导致表面有靶细胞，因而危险，并且她然为需要测试12周。而我在49天左右的时候脖子上起了15到20个像毛囊炎的东西，突出皮肤表面。
   您怎么看待我的情况？腿推的事情安全吗？有支原体问题的情况下飞机，并用分泌物做润滑剂仍然安全吗？3分的空气暴露足够吗？55天的检测结果保险吗，还需要进一步检测吗？

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DRHHH回答：
Welcome to the forum.  However, you had accurate advice about these issues on the community forum, so my reply is brief.

First, as you were told (and as you said you understood), HIV transmisison does not occur sexually except by penetration of a penis into a partner's vagina, rectum or (rarely) mouth. The exposures you describe were risk-free.  The presence of absence of other infections, including Mycoplasma pneumoniae, makes no difference.

Second, your symptoms are not suspicious for an HIV infection.

Third and most important, your test results show you were not infected.  Even if you had a high risk exposure (you did not) or if your symptoms were typical for HIV (they are not), test results always overrule both symptoms and exposure history.  And 55 days is enough time for conclusive testing, even though official advice often is for testing at 3 months.  Here is another thread that discusses this:  http://www.medhelp.org/post/show/1704700

So you can be certain you do not have HIV.  Unlike the community forum, I will not respond to a string of "what if" questions.  There is no information you can provide that would change my opinion or advice.  But I do hope this information has helped.  Best wishes--

HHH, MD .

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欢迎来到论坛，然而，你已经在谈论区获得了明确的答复，因而我的回答将会比较简略。
第一，如你所说你被告知（并且你也明白），HIV的性接触感染只可能发生在JJ插入阴道，直肠，或者（几乎比可能）口腔中，所以你所描述的情况是零风险的。本身是否有某种感染，包括你说的肺炎支原体（后面的对话中我解释了翻译错了，是解脲脲原体，非淋，DRHHH说一样的），不会改变这个事实。
第二，你说的症状不是急性期症状。
第三，也是最重要的，你的检测结果证明了你没有感染。即使你有过高危行为（事实上你没有），即使你有过典型的急性期症状（事实上你也没有），检测结果高于行为历史和症状。55天是足以或者保守的肯定的结果的时间，尽管官方，通常说是三个月。这里有另一个讨论窗口期的帖子。（这个链接现在被删了，因为发帖人在DR告诉他结束咨询后继续发帖，我也被这样警告了。大家可以看这个，另一个人把DRHHH的原文截图并翻译，关于6-8周论的，http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=1583967668）
所以你可以确定你是安全的，不想讨论区，我不会回答一系列 “如果”的问题，但是希望这些信息对你有帮助。